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Chauvet and its possible link to ancient Egypt
« on: July 23, 2014, 11:52:15 AM »
Hi all,

I'd like to introduce you to something that I have come across in the 30,000 year old cave art of Chauvet.

I believe the art is multi-layered and has multiple meanings. On the largest section of the art there appears to be a big story, or message, embedded into this incredible work. I have the feeling that this was created by someone with immense skill and knowledge and that it is not just simple 'cave men' creating this particular collection.

Problem is, that this art seems to cover several sections in this forum and I am posting a small section of the main images to try to show you just how complex it all is. There is a lot more to it than what I present here, so much so, that I had to self publish as much as I could. There are one or two items that have been updated since the book was published, and also one image confirmed by a member of the United Nations forum for art and culture.

The Chauvet cave was painted approximately 30,000 years ago and the dreams were buried and sealed for 20,000 years by a land slide.

What could these images be telling us? How do they offer a connection to the foundation of the ancient Egyptian culture? One Image appears to link from the cave to Seti the 1st’s tomb which could only have been done by the handing down of stories within tradition! Is there evidence that reveals a connection to Ra, the ‘creative power’? Could this be the source of what was to become the ancient Egyptians and other cultures?

Ra was the Sun God of ancient Egypt and his image may have been captured in the art. The image below is a portion of the cave wall containing a set of felines that are all looking the same way. But what is hidden amongst them on the far right?
There is what looks like half a face drawn into the section on the end!  Once mirrored (on the direct vertical, no other form of manipulation required), the face reveals itself as you will see and even still, it seems to have a very strong resemblance to something Leonardo da Vinci created in one of his works. Comparing the two is stunning.
Who, or what, is this person? Where is he from? Did he actually exist or is this a creation of the artists fancy?
What has this face got to do with Ra?
Legend says that Ra lost an eye, but nobody knows which one. In the original we see only the left eye. The right eye has not been painted. Perhaps this is a clue.
Another clue could be the way the typical “eye of Ra/Horus” image has also been created in the cave and is also the left eye as you can see here in the next image.
It’s clear to see how an easy comparison can be made.

Strangely, this ‘eye’ in the cave is also reproduced, or is a copy of, an area of terrain on the surface of earth.

There are also some other images nearby, one which resembles a snake with its forked tongue and a feline with its front legs in the air which can be clearly seen from 150kms above the Earth

What is even stranger is how I was able to locate this area on earth. By looking at one feline in particular, you get to see that it is actually a map of North Africa and shows the Nile region. Should you wish to do your own comparison, the lions mouth is a valley which contains another amazing item, the Richat structure, otherwise known as the ‘eye of Africa’.

Exactly what were these ancient artists trying to show? It seems to be that it was not just animals they were painting.

As we get deeper into the art we begin to find a lot of other items that do not seem to make sense until you have matched them to other parts of the art or found their external link. These links are actually encoded into the art as well, so you really have to get your brain working to spot them
Some of these images that lead you across the art are simple red dots, as though they are footsteps left in the sand. This can be understood fully once you’ve seen them on the lion that could be a map and found the locations that they lead you to.
But to confirm what you are seeing is what you think it is, you also need to find the extra image that is the ‘back up marker’ in the art work.
For example, this image below was one of the first I saw and the first that I put aside as me “seeing what I wanted to see”..

There are actually two images in this. The first is obviously the black markings. The other image is of a face. Take note of the white/grey shading around the top, to the right and the middle of the image. These white portions are the Forehead, temple, ear and cheek of half of a face, again, the left side. This image is supposed to be that of a horse’s head, yet it pales in comparison to the other excellent examples of horses in the cave art.
In this set we see the eye of Ra, the ‘eye’ from the cave art and some form hilly range which appears to hold a very similar shape to both and may have had some form of markings created in the terrain in order to complete the image. The Earthly image is next to Namak lake.

I’ll let you work out the exact details that match these images together, but for me, it’s a done deal.
There is one piece of art in the cave that really got me going and was the image that made me stop and think about everything I was looking at. This image is a picture of a hippo with his mouth open, teeth showing and tongue sticking out. This is him at the top of the image as it is seen in the cave.

Previously the only connection I could find to this in ancient Egypt was from the ceiling in the tomb of Seti 1st.
I had made that link by accident whilst searching for something related to everything else. Rotated 90 degrees we get to see more clearly as to how it matches up with the image from the tomb. It was not until later that I discovered that the hippo was a very important symbol for the Egyptians. 

Obviously I have been trying to get in touch with as many people as I possibly can to help me get to the bottom of what I believe to have found in the Chauvet cave art. A big thank you goes out to Hugo Kennes for getting me connected with Catherine Acholonu.
She was a member of the United Nations forum for art and culture.. but that is nothing compared to what else is on her incredible list of achievements.
Prof. (Mrs) Catherine Obianuju Acholonu (born 26 Oct 1951, Orlu, Nigeria) was a Nigerian writer, researcher and former lecturer on African Cultural and Gender Studies. Sadl, she passed away not too long ago.

Our first contact was in relation to some ancient rivers in North Africa that may also be recorded in the cave art of Chauvet 30,000 years ago. She shared my views on this matter.
After further discussion revolving around a few other cave images, we came to discuss one of the most cleverly hidden images found to date. This image is of a set of felines looking at or guarding what, at first, appears to be a chalice or cup (Holy Grail?) of some description.

Catherine has pinpointed many of the images and given one of the most amazing replies I could have ever have hoped for.
We were both in full agreement that the entire time line and historical knowledge of the ancient Egyptian and Sumer cultures needs to be revised.
Here is the image Catherine took time to look at and reply to..

And here is Catherines response to it..

“The leopards/tigers in mirror-image are very, very intriguing. They are witnessing the birth of Atum/Amun – the Son of the Mother Goddess in the Egyptian Zep Tepi (First Time)! The mirror leopards, watching, witnessing represent The Watchers – the Cosmic Gods. I see two humanoid beings in the center, the one above is a Father/Mother figure wearing a crown with arms outstretched like a BAT, legs outstretched, giving birth. He/She is giving birth to the lower figure who looks like the SON. This lower figure is also with outstretched arms. He is lunching forward/thrusting his arms and shoulders forward like a swimmer in water. His head is bent down. His face is partially hidden, looking downwards, while the crown of his head is showing very clearly. He also looks like a BAT or BATMAN coming out of his Mountain Home. (The Bat is the animal that lives in the Dark, and it is a Black animal, just as it is portrayed in Batman movies. It is the dweller in all dark Caves everywhere. It dwells in Hiding. It is thus the metaphor for the Hidden God of the Egyptian Duat Atum-Ra/Amun/Tmu). A flat-topped phallic Mountain (monolith/lingam) is located directly below him on the ground, shaped like an inverted U. It is the Egyptian Primeval Mound or Benben where Atum stood to utter the original Creative Act after he emerged from the womb of the Chaotic Waters of NUN. Thus this lower figure is AMUN-RA (Atum/Tmu) rising from the Womb of Chaotic Nun at the moment of First Creation.
The image also represents Osiris resurrecting from his Tomb in the Underworld DUAT in a future time, wch is NOW – the new Age of Enlightenment. All in all, the image captures the Egyptian First Time (Zep Tepi) when Atum rose from the Abyss of the Primeval Waters to begin the Creative Act. The only witnesses to this event were Cosmic Beings, represented in the Art with the metaphor of animals, for man had not yet been called forth (created). The animals represent COSMIC beings (the so-called KAs or KASHIs of the Egyptian Zep Tepi, who were companions of Atum in the Moment of First Creation (Zep Tepi). Leopards are totems of female cat-goddesses of Egypt, such as Sekhmet and Wadjet.
Their presence indicates that only goddesses were in existence when Atum was born. They were the midwives of his emergence from the womb of Nun. Goddesses were the mothers of the gods. And God (Atum) was born by a Goddess, who is called Nne Chukwu (Mother of God) among the aboriginal Igbos of Nigeria. By the way, the famous NUN River of Egyptian mythology is a Delta river physically located in the Lower Niger area of Nigeria, so too is the celebrated AN/On (Igbo ONU) – the Opening into the Bottomless Pit, wch leads into the Underground Duat in the mythical Land of the Dead which the Egyptians called AMANA, BUT WHICH IS ALSO A PHYSICAL PLACE IN IGBOLAND – A VILLAGE OF THE DEAD CALLED ‘AMANA’ BY IGBO NATIVES.”

The Mars – Earth thing..

On the surface of Mars lies a very striking mound.
This mound has a design to it. It is a design that can only be compared to one earthly image, the eye of Horus/Ra.
Horus is one of the oldest and most significant deities in ancient Egyptian religion and the symbol that most relates to him is known around the world. He is also associated with Mars
“…the Egyptian God HORUS is identical with planet MARS. And that means that all the Gods inside of the myth are celestial bodies, in the same way as in the Epic of Creation. So this myth describes a very special cosmic event.”


So what has this all got to do with the face on Mars and the potential of it being a real representation of what everyone thinks it is.. A face? Well, this image below is not too far from the Cydonia region and maybe the face on Mars has a distant cousin in the face from the cave?
This is the image from Mars (image origin, NASA, Structure found by ‘the mad martian’)

The 30,000 year old art has led me on a rather wild ride and I know it is not over yet, not by a long shot! I know there is far more to discover in the art.

Now to show you the points of interest as to how these images match. There are a few pieces that give us a deeper idea as to how they ‘connect’. Is this more than just a ‘looks similar’ type of match?

What are we exactly looking at? Firstly, the yellow circles, they are showing the ‘shark tail’ effect given to the art work. It is a sloping tail that ends in a point rather than the square ended version we also see which is in the blue circle and seen on many other versions.
The green circle is the barely visible ‘physical’ eye that we see. Then, the wavy blue line is clearly seen in the last image as a matching wavy blue line. Can these factors placed together mean that the image on Mars was designed and was made to resemble something that was either from Mars or travelled to Mars via Earth or some other variation? Perhaps Earth was the final destination before departing for somewhere else and they left their mark here?

There seems to be a lot of other stunning images that have been blended into the art work in, what appears to be, a manner where only the initiated can see them. We know that the feline was regarded very highly in Egypt and we see one hidden into the face of another animal here. Notice how the ears of the main creature here are the eyes of the hidden cat, then in the next image you see this cat close up and see how carefully they painted its whiskers,

We also find the tree of life incorporated into the head of a bull, its horns branching like a tree,

So, what exactly is it we have here? Are we really looking at the founders of the ancient Egyptian culture? Did they come from somewhere else? (Mars?) or was this all really created by simple cave men who were high and halucinating on mind bending drugs, or did they really do as we all believe and just painted what they saw?
If this is what they saw, then they saw some very unusual things and recorded it all in very exact detail...

This is not everything I have found! There is a lot more!

« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 11:58:46 AM by SteveM »


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Re: Chauvet and its possible link to ancient Egypt
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2014, 09:45:11 AM »
I have nothing to add, but this is all highly interesting.  Please keep posting your research.

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Re: Chauvet and its possible link to ancient Egypt
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2014, 10:53:41 AM »
Thanks Abe for your interest...

I'll throw in a few more images of interest that I have found in the art..

This one appears to show a sealed jar/vase.. a bit like the jars they used to place the organs during the mummificcation process.. If it is a jar, what the heck is it doing in 30,000 year old art? When was pottery generally accpeted to have come about? It also reminds me of Pandoras box.. the true translation from the Latin describes the 'box' as a vase or jar... which means the box idea is invalid..

Amazingly, I kept on finding stuff that I wasn't too sure about what I was seeing but had a feeling i was seeing something, so some of these images I kept until I had found a link or connection.
This one, for example, was one of those moments.. It wasn't until later that I discovered the image on the left but it answered my query about the image in the middle.

The journey the 'map' takes you on was only possible due to our current level of knowledge. If I had not been able to use Google Earth, or have a zoomable map of the Earth, then I would never have made the connections..
The "lion rampant" seems to play an important part in many of these ancient cultures and they connect on a global scale.
The map I posted earlier led me to find the image seen here (top row, secong image from the left) Which is the same shape as the stone from Gobekli Tepe (top row, 1st image on left) Then, by looking on Google Earth, I had found the 'eye' (which also has markings similar to the cave art and the shape of the row, 3rd image from left)

Nearby to the 'eye' (a few hundred miles away) I found the 'lion rampant' (top row, 4th image) which is seen on this scale from approximately 150kms ABOVE the Earths surface..
Then the bottom two images, one of which is clearly from ancient Egypt... the other is from Seminole country park, Texas!!!

I do believe that whoever created this art did so in such a way that you had to have the knowledge of how to 'read' it or had the technical advancement enough to decode it, wether it be artistic skills or cartography etc etc..  I feel we have still got a long way to go completely unlock everything in the art as there are a few images which do not yey make any sense what so ever..
This one resembles a knights helmet. It does not fit in with any other part of the art.. yet.. So what is it?

There is so much of this stuff and how it appears to all link together that it has to be more than just coincidence or me 'seeing what i want to see..'
New things keep popping up that I have not been able to introduce into my book, so I place them on my site.
This is one of those things
I mentioned before how the art is multi layered and this portion of the map appears to also fit into this ancient river theory too!


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Re: Chauvet and its possible link to ancient Egypt
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 06:06:42 PM »
This was an interesting read! I have found myself re-reading bits and pieces and picking up new things each time.

I didn’t really get the Da Vinci reference at first so I went looking. It was fascinating to read about the multiple works of Da Vinci that have hidden images. I recommend an image search of Da Vinci mirror paintings.

A while back I took a course about religion. The main thing I took way was that there are so many commonalities in throughout all religions, stories, legends; whatever you call them and whatever you believe, there are common threads.

I believe that sometimes art helps us see the ties. Nothing is new. The context changes but the meaning-whether we understand it or not-doesn’t. Or something like that  ???

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Re: Chauvet and its possible link to ancient Egypt
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 03:31:51 AM »
I see why you struggled with the da Vinci thing.
The image is missing

Here it is, there are at least twelve similarities;

Also you might find this video interesting too :)
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